I've been able to find very little information about this machine on-line and even less about the company that made it. But there are a few snip-its here and there. I've gathered together what I've found, although, I'm sorry to say that many of them contridict eachother. Hopefully this might provide a starting place for the next person to research this topic. If you have anything to add, please leave a comment. I would love to learn more.
I know, I know, this is all going to be very boring, and rather unorganized. I'm sorry. The goal is to get the history bit out of the way before focusing on the fun part: the restoration.
- The New Williams Sewing Machine was made by the Williams Manufacturing Company (W.M.F.C.Co. - as it says on my treadle base). The W.M.F.C.Co. began in 1863, but sources cite different dates when this company ended. Here we are told that the company lasted until 1899, however, I suspect that they have confused the dates. At the McCord Museum we are told that the fine fellow that did this beautiful engraving died in 1899. And here we are told that the W.M.F.C.Co. liquidated in 1929.
I'm inclined to find in favour of the later date because in earlier research I saw references to the W.M.F.C.Co. in the records of the Canadian Houses of Parliament post 1900 - mostly talking about how companies reacted to some new import/export taxation that the government imposed.
So, I'm going to (tentatively) say that The Williams Manufacturing Company lasted from 1863 - 1929.
- A list of models (and dates) made by The Williams Manufacturing Company 'borrowed' from here:
C. W. Williams Manufacturing Co. Est 1863
Became:
Williams Manufacturing Co. by 1877 1885 +
Became:
Williams Manufacturing Co. Ltd by 1893 - liquidated 1929Factory: Plattsburgh, New York. 1878 also at 347 Notre Dame Street, Montreal, Canada. (destroyed by fire 1882)
Machine Made: Williams' Singer Williams' Improved Singer Family 1871 - 1877 Williams' Improved Medium Williams' Hand machine Williams' No. 2 Helpmate No's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 1884 - 1893 New Williams 1884 - 1902
Became:
Williams Manufacturing Co. by 1877 1885 +
Became:
Williams Manufacturing Co. Ltd by 1893 - liquidated 1929
Where we also learn that the W.M.F.C.Co existed under two previous incarnations giving us a more detailed history. However, it's good to note that I haven't found any data on-line that confirms these dates.
This list here also says that the Montreal Factory burnt down in 1882 - two years before the earliest date that my machine could have been made. But my machine claims to be manufactured in Montreal. I need to do more research on the Montreal connection.
According to the above list, in 1885 the Williams Manufacturing Co became the the Williams Manufacturing Co Ltd. There is no sign of a Ltd. on any of my parts, machine, cabinet, or the tin case that came with the machine.
As I said before, the patent date on my machine is 1884 which gives us the earliest date it could have been manufactured. That there is no sign of the Ltd anywhere, gives us a good (not a perfect one mind you) change that the latest my machine could have been manufactured is 1885.
- The Williams Manufacturing Company were in direct competition with Singer, and as far as I could tell, took quite a gouge out of the market in certain parts of Canada and the US.
- Here is a nifty story about Mr Simkins who use to sell New Williams sewing machines in Canada.
- I saw at least one example on the internet of a New Williams electric machine (a clone of the Singer 15 series) from post 1940 - this conflicts with everything we've seen so far. Could this be a different incarnation of the W.M.F.C.Co? Or, could this be another company using the title New Williams for a specific line of machines?
- The Smithsonian Institute has an interesting collection relating to the Williams machines. Some of these are for the Williams Singer machines - not sure yet what that is. But it is advertised as being 100% Canadian with all the parts and materials coming from Canada or the UK - very slightly anti-US advertisement.
One of the biggest problems I had researching this is that there have been several different Williams Manufacturing Companies over the years, including one in the 1940's that made fortune telling and gaming machines. It's also possible other companies just used that title for their own machines. This just goes to show you how limited googling around the internet in search of historical data really is. A lot of forums that talk about New Williams machines appear to confuse data from other companies. I need to find a better source of information.
Hope you guys are not as confused as I am at this juncture. I'm off to get a library card and hopefully find some more solid leads.
52 comments:
Have been selling sewing machine for a while, didn't know the history at all. Good job.
I love how dedicated you are to documenting your process so as to help other people who might eventually do research on that topic. Good luck finding more info to complement and clarify what you've already collated here!
I am the proud owner of a New Williams. However, when it was delivered, all the parts on the bottom were missing. Gutted!! Heartbroken. I have been on a journey trying to locate replacement parts - met so many wonderful people out there - all so willing to help me out - Nova Scotia seems to be my best bet :)or :( I am going to clean her up, put her on display until I can locate the parts necessary to get this old lady up and running. She is pretty and well worth my efforts. Haven't come up with any new info on this machine (despite many many bleary-eyed searches). When I do, I will post them here.
have just purchased a sewing machine cabinet, no machine, was suprised when went searching to find it is a New Williams cabinet, has 27 stamped inside the doors, is the same as the one in your picture.I think I got a bargain for $50.00 aus dollars.
That is a real bargain. Congratulations on your new find.
Wonder what the 27 means.
I guess it means this is cabinet 27 as it is on the doors and cabinets, do you know the value of these cabinets not that I want to sell mine I bought it to use as a sewing machine cabinet and I liked the style. the cabinet is in fantastic condition, i have sanded back and revarnished it looks great.
I can't say much about the value of these machines and cabinets. The cabinet I have is really well made, better made than any other sewing machine cabinet I've seen. Given the quality and that there aren't many of them around... I'm guessing better than average.
I know with the old Singers, the value (aka, what someone is willing to pay) varies DRASTICALLY from coast to coast. In Canada, you are looking at about $400 difference for the same machine from one coast to the other.
I would love to know how much the New Williams are worth, but I would hate to be the one guessing the price.
that is was impressed me was the qualty of the cabinet, i have not seen a piece of furniture that is screwed together not nailed, I noticed in the picture that yours has a piece missing on the bottom of one of the doors, and one door is hanging lower, mine has locks on the doors and lid but no keys, they are a beautiful pioece of furniture, i still can't beleive my luck
First time on you site. Saw picture of NEW WILLIAMS sewing machine in Automatic Cabinet. I HAVE SIMILAR MACHINE.serial # 326498. From THE WILLIAMS MANUFACTORING CO. MONTREAL PAT JAN//1884..
have pictures/not sure how to send. Looking for info and any type of value.Norm
I just bought one at a yard sale last week. I paid $45 for it with all the accessories. I am so excited to have this and can't wait to learn how to use it!!
I found the manaual on line.
http://ai731.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/new_williams_sewing_machine.pdf
Thank you for your research on this. When my m-i-l was cleaning out her house she asked me what I wanted and I took this machine. I didn't know anything about it, other than what is stamped on the face plate. It has it's parts and is in working order. A beautiful working piece of history. I am SO lucky. Thank you to Audrey for the manual. Enjoying your blog also.
Thank you for your research on this. I also have a New Williams sewing Machine I purchased from estate sale back in Montreal area when I was a teenager. I know it is over 100 yr old only. The cabinet has nice carved woodworking on it and it still works today. No one seemed to know much about this machine.
Kathy @ lupiekindel61@hotmail.com
Just Saw your post on the New William. I have found someone who is selling the table (machine is not in it anymore) for 60$ Canadian. Not sure which model it is though http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=492498949
I got one and I see that it is written..mlt on it ..mine is black and it has it s cabinet..and electric...
got one of my own..still in good condition..and in it s cabinet...it black with gold writtings...
I have a New Williams machine that my great grandmother bought new... the only thing I don't have is the receipt, I have the original manual and all the attachments she had. There are no dates on anything so I'm not sure how long ago it was purchased (She was born in 1890). Trying to find out how old my machine is... it still has her ball of thread ends in one of the drawers. :)
i just had a 1884 new williams given to me. very glad to read this page ive been looking for info thanks for the start.
1920, my great grandmother's just bought a new Williams sewing machine. She kept the manual rolled up in a drawer. Owner's certificate and an add for the electric motor attachment, the needle won't move. The insides are gunky from disuse & a house fire. Suggestions on diagram & repair techniques. Appreciated.
Would any of y0u be willing to scan and post your manuals for these wonderful machines? I for one would love it, thanks.
Hello! I just found your post while doing research on my recently purchased New Williams model. Thank you so much for doing all of this work - I now know so much more about my machine. :)
I wondered, have you been able to find a source for needles for this machine?
Please let me know at kit.lang.art@gmail.com
Thank you so much!
I have a set of New Williams drawers for a sewing machine that I am willing to sell. rdeancowan@aol.com
April 17, 2015; I just got back from the dump (a.k.a. "waste disposal site) with a New Williams sewing machine that was made in Montreal. Steal of a deal for ZERO dollars! Machine still there and hasn't seized up, actual table is a bit bunged up but I'm going to turn it into an accent table. If anyone wants the actual sewing machine part perhaps we can figure something out to get it to you. I live in Manitoba.
I never seen such type of machine in my life. Just first time on your blog. Its performance should be good and work comfortably. Industrial Stitching Machine
I just won one of these in an auction.. it has the machine but in rough shape but you can still see the gold in it, and the cabinet which is still solid but I might need to refurbish it and the cast iron base and foot peddle. It also has the box cover for the sewing machine. It has 1881 stamped into the bottom of it
This post was so helpful, thank you! I just dug out an antique machine that has been sitting in my parents basement. It is also a New Williams machine. I am going to try to find out a little more about it but I have posed some initial pictures here: https://smilesandhandiwork.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/antique-inspiration/
Acquired one of these from a family member's basement and unfortunately it is in rough shape. Was able to restore the table for use, grind off the rust and repaint it, but I think the machine I'll have to find another home for. Thanks for putting together all this info, always interesting to read up on the history of things.
For those looking for manuals here's a good resource! http://www.needlebar.org/main/manuals/newwilliams/1index.html
I have parts call me 4168936126
I just got my hands on what I assume to be a 50s era New Williams Mfg Co. Ltd electric machine. Model 55 I assume from the stamp on it. However there seems to be no information whatsoever on these "newer" New Williams sewing machines online.
03 June 2017 ... I have a New Williams treadle sewing machine manufactured in Montreal about 1904. My husband cleaned it up and got everything working. I went to a local antique/junk store and bought 4 accessory kits for very little money, so I have lots of attachments :) My big problem is finding needles for it, as they are not 'standard'. I have been to a couple of local sewing machine repair persons and they have been unable to help me. I also tried emailing a vintage/antique sewing machine repair/parts person in London, Ontario, but received no reply. Have you been able to find needles for your treadle machine? If you have, would you please tell me where I can get them?
Thanks for the post, interesting read :)
I just opened mine up for the first time in years and its already threaded and still works! Unfortunately I broke the leather strap while putting it back in so I guess its prudent to detach it before putting the machine back into the cabinet. It looks like a snap to fix with just an awl so hoping (or hopping see below) to try it out soon.
I also found a foil wrapped Easter egg I assume is about 25 years old in one of the drawers hiding behind the accessory box.. can't believe I missed that as a kid.
I have a New Williams. Can you tell me where I'd likely find the serial number on it. Thanks.
Awesome information. I have a New Williams that is a 1893 model in perfect working order. Like you i have noticed barely any information on where to get extra parts or needles for it. Mine came with the coffin box and all the attachment
I am researching my family history and my great-great uncle, according to his WWI draft record, worked at Williams Manufacturing in Plattsburgh, NY in 1918 (as a Polisher). So I think you are correct, Williams Manufacturing was around for at least that long. Looking for Williams Manufacturing info led me to your blog.
Did they co.e over to wales UK at all do you know? My partners grandad owned a sewing machine factory called Williams, and as a child he just remembers singer seeing machines? But could they have been a Williams?? This is 50 years ago he was a child and visited his grandad company had been open for years before that? Thanks for any information x
rdeancowan@aol.com Dean Cowan. Wondered what your drawers look like and if you might still have them. Ive just come in possession of a new williams that is missing the drop leaf and the drawers.
Hi,
I've spotted this New Williams from the 50s on Kijiji: https://i.imgur.com/AGPqaH2.jpg
You can't see it on the picture but the logo on the plate is a beaver sitting on a log and it says "Made in Canada - New Williams - LTD Montreal". I've also found this one on youtube: https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT8rLkKgzmE . Any info?
Here's another New Williams that I've found, the owner said that it was dating from 1951. https://imgur.com/a/fFwAafI on the last picture you can see the Beaver logo with "New Williams MFG Co. LTD Montreal".
LilysMom, I have a cabinet and have been looking for a sewing machine. If you are still willing to sell it, I would love to buy it. I live in California. Please email me at nicole.chiemi@gmail.com if you are still looking to sell it
Look up New Williams on needlebar.org
Hi there,
I know this is an old post, but hopefully you still get notifications when there's a new comment.
Any idea if the cabinets they were in were sold separately? I have a friend with one that's been passed down. The patent date on the machine itself has patent dates of 1884 while the cabinet has a date of 1906.
I've just got one New Williams. There is one stamp saying :"Patented June 19th 1906." And there's stamp that it was manufactured in Montreal. Just small add to your historical research.
So this post is from eight years ago, and i have no idea if you still pay attention to this blog, but wandering through my favourite antique shop today, I fell in love with the exact same model, with the 1884 patent and everything. mine isn't quite standard in as much as a previous owner painted it a bright teal, but aside from that everything is in order, and now I was just wondering how you threaded the bobbin. my machine had the original instructions in one drawer, but the section on the bobbin was a little more ravaged by time than most.
it's nice to see these old machines connecting a bunch of canadian antique enthusiasts. it gives us a bit of a shared identity
I have a New Williams here... Everything is intact... Willing to sell if price is right.
I just bought a New Williams sewing machine at an antiques flea market in the Niagara Peninsula.
It is in rough condition but bought it as a family project. We have already worked on the iron base of the cabinets and gave it a general cleaning.
No idea of the actual condition of the machine as the band is broken
Do any of you know if the bands could be bought somewhere?
Thanks for the info, everyone!
Also looking for needles!
I have came across a J D williams manchester sewing machine. With a serial no of 6696809.Can you tell me the year had been made or more info
I have one and am wondering what kind of needles you use.
what would a number 0001156 mean on the inside of the sewing machine cabinet. I don't have the sewing machine , just the cabinet.
what does the number 0001156 on the inside of the cabinet mean?
I have just purchased a cabinet model williams sewing machine and would like to know more about 8t
Can you scan and share the manual please?
I own a new William’s in its cabinet and I also have the manual and all the wood boxes and the many parts. I just don’t know how much it could be worth! Would love to know! If I remember right it was estimated 1890 or so. I am not sure. It is still in working order but I don’t really use it to sew for I have more pleasure using my electric machines😂.
I just got a New Williams 49-1 sewing machine with its table in good working order. To add to this post as a spot for research I believe that it, and any 1950s New Williams machines, are actually Delco sewing machines. The motor is marked Delco; likely General Motors thought using the defunct Canadian company's name would be more popular in Canada. The machines themselves were made in Montreal.
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